Intersectionality, part V: additional notes on amnesia and springing from Outercourse

When we can’t see men as the oppressors, men’s violence is suppressed in the unconscious realm (or in the “subliminal sea”1) and what remains visible and conscious to us in the foreground2 is the betrayal by puppeted women orchestrated/remote-controlled by the invisible male lords/puppeteers.

Failing to see men’s oppression and turning our anger against women is fundamentally based on amnesia: our forgetting of men’s genocide. The depth of this insight popped up to me with instant clarity as a friend of mine and I were discussing why some women so readily turned against other women even in cases such as having been raped or tortured by their fathers. For months one woman angrily resented her mother for about everything her father had subjected her to, and instead felt sympathy for him. Her mother wasn’t enough this, she had failed to do that, etc. There were vast periods of torture she had forgotten but she remembered the lies her father had told her about her mother and this is what stayed. However when she started recovering memories of what her father had done to her, her anger against her mother abated, she began to see how she too was victimised as a wife to her father and started to express anger against him.

This works on all levels. Our capacity to feel empathy towards women, to reverse the reversals and to make the connections about men’s violence is deeply and directly connected to our uncovering of the suppressed memories of what men have done to us. When we forget the oppressor, there is no other option than to turn against women, because that’s how patriarchy is configured: there is one oppressor class, men, and one oppressed class, women, and if you’re not against men, then it’s mechanically at the expense of women and of ourselves. There is no in-between, or third outlet: women are the only counterpoint to men’s violence. Either we see men as the oppressors and therefore our rage is turned against them, either we have effaced some or all of their role as oppressors and we automatically resent women for one thing or another.

The amnesia is organised both on an individual level and collective level.

It’s individual in that men’s violence and psychic warfare tactics which causes the amnesia happens to each one of us. Individually, we are forced to suppress some awareness and memory of what individual men or institutions have inflicted on us and on our female peers at various points in our lives (violence from our father, husbands, brothers or other males / institutions). The amnesia is organised on this micro level through the lies and reversals of the perpetrators, the denials and terror of our peers and the complicity of surrounding men with the perpetrators. The true stories of rapes against our sisters, mother, aunts, grand-mothers, cousins and daughters will be silenced. We will never understand why our aunt was alcoholic all her life or why our mother had fits of crying and nervous breakdowns every now and then, or why our friend became muted after the age of 8. Men will tell us they are crazy, liars, will instil distrust and contempt in these women. We will never or rarely be told about the women who escaped, the lesbians, feminists or spinsters, whether in school, by our peers or family.

The amnesia is also organised by men collectively: the perpetrators’ lies wouldn’t have so much impact on us if men’s violence wasn’t so absolutely obliterated from discourse everywhere we go – nothing in foreground reality, whether written or spoken, ever confirms the reality and depth of the what we’re subjected to, it is spookily omni-absent. Men have monopolised the power of naming and thereby blocked our capacity to even name our experience and ourselves with their words. We live in this reality of war-zone under male-rule, dying inside and outside, yet all there is to see on the surface are those tantalising fake smiles, “sex”, “marriage” and plastic happiness. For this silence to be maintained, men actively repress our re-calling of the genocide and be-speaking of the truth. They erase all evidence of their crimes, both external historical evidence and in our own psyche, by reprogramming our minds. They erase our culture, our writings, our art, our discoveries, our history of liberation, our presence and love to ourselves. In this context we have forgotten who we are before we could even know who we were.

Amnesia is also a form of dissociation. It’s a coping mechanism to ongoing trauma when the violence is both unescapable and unacknowledged. It is one of the many ways in which the self splinters itself for survival – which is why so many of us suffer various degrees of “multiple personalities” from having to forget event after event, life after life, each time having to distance ourselves farther from who we were and reinvent a new plastic persona in the attempt to add more make-up over our suffering.

It splinters the most traumatic parts from our conscious memory and digs them deep into the unconscious memory, which then only resurfaces in cryptic ways: through flashes, panic attacks, physical and psychic disorders, cancer, etc. Formulating the truth of men’s oppression even in thought being an unthinkable crime, these cryptic ‘symptoms’ or outbursts are messages from ourselves to desperately try to reconnect and awaken our consciousness, to break the spell of dissociation and phallic coding so we reintegrate and get away from the source of harm (men). These messages are there to bring the truth back into our conscious thoughts and direct our rage at men instead of against ourselves. We are saying to ourselves “hello, I’m here”. “Doing this to me is harmful”. “I’ve been hurt.” “These rapes / violations / insults / psychic devastation have hurt me”.

Anyway, all this to say that I recently realised more than ever the importance of seeing and naming the connections, and how this is really the first momentum of liberation because organised amnesia is men’s primary form of psychic – and therefore physical – annihilation of women. Without consciousness there is no doing, and by destroying our knowing/seeing (or pushing it into unconscious, subliminal realms), men paralyse our doing and being.

Amnesia, the obliterating of men’s past and present violence and erasure of our past and present selves, leads to blindly turning against women and more generally, to what Mary Daly calls aphasia, the “inability to Name the Background reality as well as foreground fabrications and the connections among these” and to apraxia, the “inability to act as Radical Feminists” (Outercourse, p. 6 and 195).

Intersectionality, just as any form of anti-feminism, are part of men’s phallic lies and global brainwashing tactics which generate amnesia and the inward-twisting of rage against ourselves and other women. Again, to paraphrase Mary Daly, exorcising amnesia requires acts of unforgetting and be-speaking, of unmasking and breaking through the foreground lies into our background presence. The task of the radical feminist is to actively explicate the connections, to make the reversals, fragmentation, destruction and genocide explicit and overt. (P. 6-11, Outercourse).

“Knowledge [of patriarchal horror] … is compelling and expelling. When a woman really faces the horror she is morally compelled to Act (overcome apraxia) and to begin changing/Be-Witching. She becomes empowered to expel the demonic embedded Self-censor within, who has blocked her from Spinning. She dares to begin Be-Witching.” (P. 197, Outercourse).

1Term by Mary Daly : the Sea of subliminal knowledge, knowledge which is covert, “Background” knowledge that is shared by women in patriarchy (Outercourse p. 13).

Background means “the Realm of Wild Reality; the Homeland of Women’s Selves and of all other Others; the Time/Space where auras of plants, planets, stars, animals and all Other animate beings connect.” (Wickedary, by Mary Daly and Jane Caputi).

2Foreground is defined as “male-centered and monodimensional arena where fabrication, objectification, and alienation takes place; zone of fixed feelings, perceptions, behaviours; the elementary world: FLATLAND”. (Wickedary, by Mary Daly and Jane Caputi).

 

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45 Responses to “Intersectionality, part V: additional notes on amnesia and springing from Outercourse”


  1. 1 witchwind April 1, 2014 at 2:09 am

    comments are now open for the next three days.

  2. 3 witchwind April 1, 2014 at 4:00 am

    some notes i haven’t fitted in the posts: I don’t like the word “sexism” because it treats women’s oppression from men as a distinct unit next to other ‘ism’ boxes such as racism, classism, ablism, etc. as just one form of discrimination amongst many others rather than one big sado-system directed entirely by men. It’s mild, narrow and short-sighted. We lack words to describe the varying layers of male colonisation specifically aimed against women: men’s words only really apply to men.

    Freedom of women can only be measured in terms of freedom from male violence, whichever the form it takes.

  3. 4 witchwind April 1, 2014 at 4:02 am

    on degrees of violence between women: The difference in violence that women are subjected to, whichever this violence may be, is a difference in degrees. The key function of subjecting women to different degrees and variations of violence according to the male group or state to which they belong to is to divide women and turn women against each other.

  4. 5 witchwind April 1, 2014 at 4:03 am

    It is a very simple divide-and-conquer rule, which all tyrants, bosses, teachers and colonialists apply in order to strengthen their control over the subordinated group as a whole. It consists in granting very minor advantages or rewards to a select few – enough to give the illusion that they have escaped their condition, but of course never enough to give them any real power to free themselves from the enemy. The aim is to obtain their allegiance and get them to act in the interests of the enemy at the expense of her own people.

  5. 6 witchwind April 1, 2014 at 4:09 am

    you only need to look at how men groom animals: they obtain obedience best when alternating punishment with giving some extra crumbs to reward for obedience. In a similar way, men constantly alternate between fake reward and punishment on multiple levels. They fakely reward women by co-opting us in token positions of authority within their institutions and arranging women in different hierarchical positions: this way they can use us as mental prison guards against other women.

  6. 7 witchwind April 1, 2014 at 4:12 am

    anyway, these were just extra notes I didn’t manage to fit anywhere in the series, but it’s not an invitation to specifically discuss those bits. Feel free to discuss / spin from any of the 5 posts on intersectionality.

  7. 9 Alexis Flamethrower Daimon April 1, 2014 at 4:47 pm

    Hi witchwind!
    Great series! Interestingly, I just started reading Outercourse the day you published that last post. Synchronicity… 🙂
    I’ll have more to add later, I’m looking forward to discussing, been waiting all month for comments to open.

  8. 10 witchwind April 1, 2014 at 4:56 pm

    Hi! I really recommend Outercourse. With Pure Lust I actually find it her most interesting work so far because this is where she explains her radical feminist philosophy which is simply a masterpiece of radical feminist philosophical work and reasoning. I’m really amazed how she combines magic, metaphor, reason, intuition and love of life all together. Reading her book is a sensory experience as much as it’s intellectual and spiritual, it’s like traveling through different worlds. It’s the most holistic and lucid philosophical work I’ve ever read.

  9. 11 witchwind April 1, 2014 at 4:58 pm

    I certainly want to write about her philosophy, the way she defined it and used it. Or lived through it. It is truly fascinating and there is so much to learn from her writings.

  10. 12 witchwind April 1, 2014 at 5:04 pm

    anyway, this will be for another time, there is far too much to say, her philosophical work deserves a discussion of its own.

  11. 13 Oana April 2, 2014 at 1:36 am

    hi witchwind!
    you said about “women who escaped, the lesbians, feminists or spinsters,”… i am a feminist and a spinster and i don’t feel like i have escaped… yet. although i wasn’t raped and sexually tortured in the last 2 years, i still have been abused in other ways. i think that you only can consider yourself escaped if you aren’t subjected to any form of patriarchal torture, whether coming from men or token women torturers.

  12. 14 witchwind April 2, 2014 at 11:08 am

    Hi, what I meant by escape is that they escaped marriage or heterosexuality, after having been abused, married or manipulated / forced into relationships with men. Some women have killed their abusers too, a minority of women. Typically, we are never told of such women in childhood, and if we do see them they are shown as repulsive counter-examples of who to be. Although some women managed to never get into relationships with men and that is really lucky, even though they haven’t escaped some forms of abuse in childhood and later on, in different ways. I do know that no woman escapes patriarchal destruction as a whole. Even when we escape marriage / heterosexuality, it does mean we are safer from the worst kind of abuse (regular rapes and intimate terrorism) but backlash can come in myriads of ways.

  13. 15 Oana April 2, 2014 at 11:53 am

    you said: “I obviously don’t have all the answers as to what we can do to replace intersectionality, and differences between women and class dynamics vary a lot from place to place. I find it all very complex to think about.”

    i don’t think there should be any word replacing “intersectionality”. there are a lot of cultural differences etc, but these are only different on the surface, in the underground they only represent various ways in which men have enslaved women. it is like in biology. every being’s DNA has evolved and it’s still evolving in various ways in order to adapt so that they can survive. this way men use everything they got in their hands, every single time, in order to maintain their rule and make sure their species is being reproduced. the differences may have arisen due to the different ways in which women have tried to free themselves. i think at the same time we should ignore the differences, because we will be caught in details and won’t see the big picture.

    you said: “If some women have escaped some worst forms of drudgery or torture, well good for them. They’ve been lucky. But wounding or resenting these women won’t make our wounds feel any better.”

    i have personally received a decent amount of torture from men, but that didn’t made me resent other women who have been more lucky. the problem with these “lucky” women is that they are more blind to what men do. they give me the feeling that they are like rapunzel, shut away in the tower in the middle of the woods, waiting for their prince to save them aka marriage.

  14. 16 witchwind April 2, 2014 at 4:01 pm

    what i have found is that the degree to which women believe they are lucky or un-lucky or deny the violence is very dependent on how the violence they survived was erased or recognised. That is, it might not be directly related to the real amount of violence they’ve been subjected to but to how this violence was erased from their minds with various tactics. But exceptionalism and different degrees of violence (or specialising in psychological and sexual violence as opposed to physical or more overt types of violence) does have the intended effect of increased psychic colonisation and blindness to men’s oppressive system.

    this is because sexual and psychological violence are the most unrecognised forms of violence (they’re most of the time never considered as violence or not as violent as physical violence, when the reality is opposite) and these are the forms of violence most used against women and which are most damaging to psychic and physical integrity. And I guess the more the woman perceives to have some kind of status, the more male violence must be experienced as a mindfuck. I find it dificult to pin down really.

  15. 17 Oana April 2, 2014 at 4:29 pm

    i think you are onto something. but i think that if sexual and psychological violence cross a certain point and become severe in degree, it may lead to an awakening, like it did in my case. i don’t think others(men and nonfeminist women) would actually say that i suffered a higher degree of sexual and psychological violence(they would say that i was imagining things or that i wanted it), but they were severe. i didn’t have any external validation on this one, but it led me to radical feminism, especially the sexual violence.

  16. 18 witchwind April 2, 2014 at 5:30 pm

    that’s what I mean by “just” sexual violence though, where no explicit / socially recognised elements of force or coercion are used, but only psychological coercion and manipulation, or use of naturalised authority (teacher/ adult / parent over child, man over woman, etc.). Basically where the man can just help himself and the woman has already been groomed into believing that’s what sexuality is about.

    I also agree that once it crosses a certain point in violence it may lead to awakening – except where psychological brainwashing increases in proportion with the violence, ie such as with very skilled serial rapists and manipulators such as pimps, BDSMers or swingers, who actively seek out the easiest prey on whom they can inflict the worst kind of torture.

    The other thing though is that the “worse” element which triggers awakening may vary from women to women, I mean the levels of violence preceding the “worse” varies a lot. For some it may be escaping death for the third time and knowing that if they stay with the abuser/pimp/father any longer she will die, for others it might be realising that her boyfriend continued PIV even after she stopped wanting it.

  17. 19 witchwind April 2, 2014 at 5:35 pm

    what i mean by the serial rapists / bdsmers, pimps, child rapists and other serial abusers, is that they’re experienced and skilled enough in sexual abuse to predict how their victim will react to each level of violation and can neutralise these defense reactions in order to break further into their victim’s psyche. There are many ways in which men do that but one example is explaining and predicting to their victim how she will react and saying that these reactions at first are perfectly normal, but she will then learn to overcome it and enjoy it. This works on women who are dissociated and self-hating enough to have never learned to trust their own feelings and perceptions

  18. 20 Oana April 2, 2014 at 5:56 pm

    you said: “The other thing though is that the “worse” element which triggers awakening may vary from women to women, I mean the levels of violence preceding the “worse” varies a lot. For some it may be escaping death for the third time and knowing that if they stay with the abuser/pimp/father any longer she will die, for others it might be realising that her boyfriend continued PIV even after she stopped wanting it.”

    this makes me think that something else is the cause of a woman’s awakening. i don’t have any idea what it could be. maybe it is the opportunity of escaping combined with the traumatising violence, or just the opportunity by itself. although a woman may be in a far more dangerous situation than before, she can escape without being murdered. or perhaps she’s just had enough. i don’t know.

  19. 21 witchwind April 2, 2014 at 6:14 pm

    yes, it’s kind of a mystery to me how this alchemy of awakening works. And sometimes it’s an accumulative process which takes years, sometimes it happens like a bolt of lightening all at once, or sometimes it’s both: it sort of builds up and then everything clicks together dramatically. In my case there are many many factors that converged at the same time which led me to feminism, a convergence of accumulated moments and mini-realisations which sort of all clicked together at the end. And I continue to have eye-opening moments but really they add to the big picture which I uncovered then.

  20. 22 witchwind April 2, 2014 at 6:18 pm

    The reason I like Mary Daly and Sonia Johnson so much is that both have tried to theorise this process and moment of awakening, describe how it feels, what happens, uncover the chains of moments and momentums which follow each other and give meaning to each other. Anyway this is another topic and as I said it really deserves its own discussion (on my blog I mean) and I still have to give it a lot of thought

  21. 23 Oana April 2, 2014 at 6:21 pm

    another question would be why not all women have this kind of moment? or do we all have, but some of us are trapped?

  22. 24 witchwind April 2, 2014 at 6:21 pm

    one thing that certainly speeds up awakening is exposure to feminism (even tiny, slight glimmers of it) at a moment where we’re receptive to it.

  23. 25 witchwind April 2, 2014 at 6:42 pm

    I think all women have access to the “subliminal knowledge” at various points but we can simply be too trapped to leap beyond those glimpses, mostly because men manage to reprogram our minds / fix our minds as soon as they notice a slight change in behaviour and perspective, or we’re too isolated and those thoughts are too different from the prevailing sense of reality that it has no bearing, it doesn’t stick. If we sense it’s too dangerous to go to the end of those thoughts at this present time because we would just go crazy from being the only one seeing, we have to suppress these thoughts or store them somewhere in our minds until they find a way of communication with other women.

  24. 26 witchwind April 2, 2014 at 6:47 pm

    the fact is that it is dangerous to speak your mind in front of men and colonised women, and they will silence you or punish you some way or another as soon as you “go too far”, and especially attempt to bash those ideas out of your head. You can only survive speaking radically in such a space for a very short time, and then you have to make sure to get out of there sharpish. So if there is nowhere where your ideas and insights can have some kind of resonance, you have no other option but to shut them. Eventually, it might just go back to where it came from, in the unconscious, although the potential is of course never lost.

  25. 27 Oana April 2, 2014 at 6:51 pm

    yes. and i think feminism helps with finding a connection with other women. although you can find other women in real life, you can find them through books, and now also the internet. that’s how it happened in my case. first i came across a lot of funfeminist crap, but i knew that feminism was where i would find the answer, so i didn’t give up until i came across radical feminism. it took me a while, like a couple of years, but even on the net, radical feminism seems to be so hidden deep underground.

  26. 28 Oana April 2, 2014 at 6:53 pm

    *you can’t find other women in real life

  27. 29 witchwind April 2, 2014 at 7:06 pm

    yes whether it’s on internet, in books or in real life, the resonance is really important. I was lucky to find books and blogs fairly quickly (in about 6-7 months) which confirmed what I thought. Once I knew other women had written and thought about before me, things became much easier, it really broke my isolation. Mary Daly talks of this as being a “cognitive minority of one”.

    I think it’s really important to print blog stuff or photocopy book extracts and hand them to women around our areas for those who don’t go on blogs and internet and who otherwise would never come across radical feminism.

  28. 30 Oana April 2, 2014 at 8:57 pm

    unfortunately, i don’t live in an english speaking country. i’ve printed a lot of things, but women around me don’t speak english. so this may be a problem in many countries. i think me, as other women will still remain a “cognitive minority of one”. it’s very hard to reach other women, because you don’t have the opportunity to meet open women that easy.
    i live in a small country and here there haven’t been any radical feminist writers and i think this is the case for other countries.

  29. 31 witchwind April 2, 2014 at 9:52 pm

    I can understand that. Although written translation is time-consuming and a very difficult task (this is why people get paid for it), oral interpretation in groups (discussion groups, etc) and summarising main points of books or articles in written or oral form takes less time, it’s more enjoyable and the message gets through. Everything doesn’t need to be translated, the main thing is to get the main ideas through.

  30. 32 WordWoman April 3, 2014 at 7:59 am

    Thank you for your work exposing the idea of intersectionality. Especially that it was not just a coincidence that clear thinking feminists, Mary Daly (especially) got trashed and disowned and intersectionality replaced it. I appreciated the description of what happened which I’d only heard (read) parts of. This is not unrelated to the whole trans movement, which at its core is just devised to derail any efforts freeing women. The whole ridiculous deconstructivist/intersectionality/trans takeover of the women’s movement seems designed to confuse women who are seeking freedom and convince them that they are crazy, that it is all their fault, etc. They are not crazy, but this mishmash is. Pointing to examples of clarity as you are doing will help women discover for themselves that they are not crazy.

    It’s amazing, given the amount of gaslighting that goes on from birth, that any of us begins to understand. But we do.

    I’ve often given women in my life a pass when I should have seen that their actions were supporting the misogynist system. And hurting other women. No blame of them, but becoming conscious of it is difficult because men were so much worse.

    I like your policy of just having comments on the first three days of the month. I hope that helps cut down on the garbage you have to deal with. Writing what you do is just right, and wonderful to hear your voice. I look forward to hearing what you have to say about Sonia Johnson.

  31. 33 witchwind April 3, 2014 at 11:09 am

    Hi wordwoman, thanks for your comment. Yes I particularly liked the article from Adriene Sere because she’s the only one who really addressed the issue publicly as far as I know and set the record straight without feeling compelled to say token intersectional things to be heard – she actually confronted intersectionality in a serious way, even though it doesn’t go very far it was the first academic-style article I’d read on this.

    What pains me a lot is that Mary Daly seems to have been very hurt or wounded by it and it seems that at the time she received little support, at least I haven’t seen any in-depth radical feminist analyses of intersectionality of the time and maybe she herself was too affected by the guilt-tripping or terror tactics to openly write about it and take it down. I noticed that just as with her comments on male essentialism, she relegated these to very short mentions in endnotes instead of discussing them directly in the body of her work. She has said herself that this was her tactic when her editors wanted to censor her work, arguing that the “careful reader” could still access these thoughts if she kept them to the endnotes. But obviously, it doesn’t have the same effect as when it’s discussed directly, and it still conveys the idea that it’s too taboo to be talked about – and many women don’t read endnotes. So I wonder whether in this case, her editors asked her to put her remarks in endnotes or whether she did it herself out of fear that women’s studies would ban her book even more from curriculum.

  32. 34 witchwind April 3, 2014 at 11:18 am

    If you read articles in the honour of Mary Daly after she passed away, many of them start by saying “I didn’t agree with all she said but…” or “I don’t want to take position in all the controversies around her on racism (etc) but…”.

    I find it very annoying too that so many women who’ve read her work or who even were around her never really understood or wanted to go too far into understanding her work. If that’s the first sentence they said when remembering Mary Daly, it’s obvious that it’s a way to distance themselves publicly from her work and herself, as a way of saying “I love Mary Daly but don’t worry guys, i didn’t go as far as she did, I don’t want to rouse your wrath on me”. And it’s pretty insulting to her and to themselves, too. And many of them even said it in that way, “I didn’t go as far, I stopped there, I stayed in Christianity”, etc.

  33. 35 Oana April 3, 2014 at 3:35 pm

    i wonder what stopped those women who were around Mary Daly to go at the end of their thoughts. it’s not like they were isolated from other radical women and i don’t think they couldn’t have escaped their male owners if they wanted to(e.g. they had a decent economic situation).

  34. 36 WordWoman April 3, 2014 at 3:48 pm

    One of the comments I read said that she didn’t agree with Mary Daly and that now most feminists have evolved and realize that men have it hard, too. In other words, the oppression olympics. Casting someone as out-of-date is a more effective way to marginalise them, especially for young women who are looking to understand the situation. That’s why it’s a shame that Daly didn’t meet these criticisms more directly. But perhaps she felt it was better to be published and put some clues in there to point the way. Or perhaps she felt giving her critics more air time by debate was not a good idea, since, as you point out she was focused on women and where women could go than men or her critics.

  35. 37 witchwind April 3, 2014 at 4:04 pm

    I think this is where we shouldn’t underestimate the power of men to re-fix and re-wind women’s minds, and basically the effects of men’s violence. The fact that they didn’t leave these institutions or husbands or sons or whatever male influence and that this exposure to men correlates with their inability to go further in feminism simply means that the men didn’t let them go there, that their violence was enough to stop them, and that the exposure to radical feminism wasn’t strong or durable enough to counteract the strength and durability of the violence. In and of itself, exposure to radical feminism doesn’t necessarily lead to radical feminism. If there’s a man or an institution behind filtering everything that goes through the woman’s mind, then exposure to radical feminist ideas might actually lead to creating even more defenses against it because she’ll identify to her captor’s interests and he will be telling her in some way or another that radical feminists are the enemy. So in this condition she’ll learn to fear it

  36. 39 Oana April 3, 2014 at 4:21 pm

    i sometimes get the feeling that we are so trapped that there will never be a way out. men got everything under control and always had, including women. maybe we could liberate ourselves individually, but not collectively. when i say liberate ourselves individually, i mean completely free from men.

  37. 40 witchwind April 3, 2014 at 4:50 pm

    I think there are ways but the main question remains what we do with men once we manage to get out of their hold. Which means that we’ll have to decide what to do with men, because there are too many of them out there, they’re too much a threat. This is something even men say of themselves, that when there are too many men and not enough women, “society” gets too violent. After killing so many girls and women and forcing pregnancy after pregnancy on women in order to get their desirable number of boys, the male / female ratio is unnaturally distorted. We simply need to get the number of males down, there is no other option. The fact is that they’re not going to let us walk out en masse and live peacefully in our own communities for a very long time if that ever happens. Women have tried that centuries before and they all ended up being slaughtered, tortured or conscripted back to male control again. Not just the amazons, in the middle ages there are many examples of communities that women built after fleeing husbandry / marriage. Some even fought several years against male attacks, but eventually they were taken over and killed.

  38. 41 Oana April 3, 2014 at 4:56 pm

    i guess you’re right… the number of men has to go down and this can be done in many different ways.

  39. 42 Sargasso Sea April 4, 2014 at 6:27 am

    Intersectionality was a concept that I discovered upon my ‘return’ to actively seeking out feminist space and must admit that I was both confused and mildly intrigued by it.

    Intrigued because I saw some possible good coming from women reflecting on their own personal histories as seen through another woman’s lens – seeing ourselves through others eyes in the very best way, IOW. But also confused because although individual experiences should be highly valued (elemental in consciousness raising!) it’s not meant to be silencing as this intersectionality is playing out. It’s a watering down of feminism so complete that it has washed away the root, which is women’s solidarity with other women no matter what.

    In this world, where if something is given something is taken, there is really not much of a real understanding of sharing. I think all women want to share with other women really but it’s been stripped away from so, so many.

  40. 43 witchwind April 4, 2014 at 10:48 pm

    Yes that’s true that in this case experiences are used to silence others or cause guilt, which is really the primary indicator that something is wrong.
    Interesting to see it in terms of sharing. Sonia Johnson wrote a whole chapter in one of her books, taking down the notion of barter and commerce (i give only if i take) and saying that women naturally would choose to live in a gift culture. We would give because we enjoy giving it, not because we have to sacrifice something of ourselves in order to get something in returns. The received and given gifts would fit our needs. FCM talked about that in one of her posts I think.

  41. 44 witchwind April 4, 2014 at 10:49 pm

    Ok I’m closing comments now. Thanks all for your participation! See you in a months time.


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